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Promise and Manipulation

Rivka and Jacob Genesis 27-29

Rav Shabtai Rapaport

I would very much like to discuss
Promise and Manipulation
regarding Rivka’s manipulation
that got Yitzchak to bless Yaakov, instead of Esau.

 

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Whereas Gen 24 appears as a story of faith and harmony, something went wrong with the family later on: In Gen 27 distrust seems to be dominant. But both ways lead to the goal – the fulfilment of God’s blessings – no matter how the members of the blessed family behave.

Dr. Axel Töllner

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Are you sure that   Gen 27 s lead to the goal – the fulfilment of God’s blessings?
What do you  about what  think Dagmar pointed out –
that it seems that Jacov’s blessing turned around

וְהוּא, עָבַר לִפְנֵיהֶם; וַיִּשְׁתַּחוּ אַרְצָה שֶׁבַע פְּעָמִים, עַד-גִּשְׁתּוֹ עַד-אָחִיו.  

ווַתִּגַּשְׁןָ הַשְּׁפָחוֹת הֵנָּה וְיַלְדֵיהֶן, וַתִּשְׁתַּחֲוֶיןָ.  

ז וַתִּגַּשׁ גַּם-לֵאָה וִילָדֶיהָ, וַיִּשְׁתַּחֲווּ;
וְאַחַר, נִגַּשׁ יוֹסֵף וְרָחֵל–וַיִּשְׁתַּחֲווּ. 

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Udi Lion
17.07.2016 19:10

Are you sure that   Gen 27 s lead to the goal – the fulfilment of God’s blessings?
What do you  about what  think Dagmar pointed out –
that it seems that Jacov’s blessing turned around

וְהוּא, עָבַר לִפְנֵיהֶם; וַיִּשְׁתַּחוּ אַרְצָה שֶׁבַע פְּעָמִים..
ווַתִּגַּשְׁןָ הַשְּׁפָחוֹת הֵנָּה וְיַלְדֵיהֶן, וַתִּשְׁתַּחֲוֶיןָ.
ז וַתִּגַּשׁ גַּם-לֵאָה וִילָדֶיהָ, וַיִּשְׁתַּחֲווּ;
וְאַחַר, נִגַּשׁ יוֹסֵף וְרָחֵל–וַיִּשְׁתַּחֲווּ. 

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Dr. Axel Töllner
15.07.2016 14:07

Whereas Gen 24 appears as a story of faith and harmony,
something went wrong with the family later on:
In Gen 27 distrust seems to be dominant.
But both ways lead to the goal – the fulfillment of God’s blessings
– no matter how the members of the blessed family behave.

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