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Family and the Holocaust

How can Family help examine the holocaust?

Rav Shabtai Rapaport

Rav Shabtai Rapaport

Some of the more famous differences before and after the holocaust is the loss of continuity. A deeper shift could be discerned in the years leading up to and following it through the lens of understanding family structure.

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Our current discussion is without sociological expertise; we do not have even one sociologist among us. We may consider inviting Prof. Dr. Gert Pickel to join us for a meeting, and offer his perspective. In any case, we shall try, from our various aspects of learning and occupation, to understand this relevant issue and evaluate it. I think that the weakening of family commitment after WWII and later in the 60s – is part of the break from tradition. A family could be viewed as the bastion of maintenance of tradition and identity. Since there is less respect for tradition (even disdain), so that the way family life – is only contingent on comfort.

הרב שבתי רפפורט

תגובה אחת
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    There is a weakening of adhering to tradition, but it also words the other way around. People try to be parents who enrich their family life. For example, men used to work from early morning till late evening. Now they try to balance their professional with their family life. It is true that some people do not attach great importance to establishing a family, but many people are looking forwards to founding a family (as a major part of their personal fulfilment) and wish to spend more time in that setting. It is true that we do not imitate our parents, but this does not necessarily mean that a weakening commitment to one's family.  My father worked eighty hours a week and I rarely got to see him. I try to do it differently and made sure to spend time with my son. So there is reinventing here as well – not only abandonment. We should also remember a new kind of family of the current time: the homosexual family

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    ד"ר אקסל טולנר

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We should be careful not to lose our focus. The post-holocaust view was discussed last time in terms of a cut tradition, a discontinuity for Jewish families as well as German families. I think that we should discuss the issue of identity – not only family but also the issue of national identity in the face of discontinued tradition.

צוריאל ראשי

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We should schedule another meeting with some ideas about family. We should consider the new family, and examine what happened to the long-term commitment that was self-understood in the past, but not anymore even in Jewish ultra-orthodox circles.

תגובה אחת
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    You mean that we should discuss not only the nuclear family, but also the connection with previous generations – the wider family, including previous generations that are not with us anymore.

    ד"ר אקסל טולנר

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Another point that should be considered. A husband and a wife that had an enjoyable quality time together, and find after a couple of months or years that they do not enjoy each other's company anymore, separate, many times, without considering it a major – intergenerational – crisis. I don't know what is the average longevity of same sex families, is it longer or shorter than that of heterosexual families. Surely this question was researched.

 

Also another aspect: once family was part of the social network. For example, even getting work in another town could be done through cousins etc. People knew who you are according to your family. In the traditional Jewish society, it was called "Yichus".  This has weakened as well.

 

We should also consider what part does religion play in the family? Is belief infused into the stability? Is belief in predestination, for example a basis for stability (or the opposite)?

הרב שבתי רפפורט

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    I don't think that the intellectual idea of predestination is meaningful when the concept of family is not clear. When you fail you can tell yourself that the failure was predestined.

     

    However, there is an experience of stability that is connected with the predestination. A couple, after years of marriage can feel that their family was predestined. Does this feeling helps in overcoming crisis situations.

     

    Also in events (like baptism) is an opportunity to talk with the generations – parents, grandparents where the family. The birth of a child causes a major change in family life, and this has to be dicussed.

    Answer

    ד"ר אקסל טולנר

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    In very traditional families there is a crisis if after some years there are no children. In modern families it is the other way around – the birth of a child is the trauma.

    הרב שבתי רפפורט

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    I know many modern day families who longed for children and when they found out that they could not have their own children, they adopted.

    ד"ר אקסל טולנר

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We should schedule the next meeting for which each participant will prepare a point of view/question/focus point etc, around the issue of family. Subsequent meetings could help crystalizing our ideas, deepen our understanding, and thus prepare a meaningful conference that will go beyond individually prepared papers. It will be wonderful if we could publish a coherent publication that will encourage interest and discussion i.e. SUGIA or a book, or both. We should also include younger participants who intend to be Rabbis, Pastors, teachers or researchers, or students that might be interested.

Conclusion (Dr. Rashi and Rav Shabtai):

Conclusion (Dr. Rashi and Rav Shabtai):

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ד"ר אקסל טולנר
21.04.2016 9:39

I know many modern day families who longed for children and when they found out that they could not have their own children, they adopted.

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הרב שבתי רפפורט
21.04.2016 9:38

In very traditional families there is a crisis if after some years there are no children. In modern families it is the other way around – the birth of a child is the trauma.

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ד"ר אקסל טולנר
21.04.2016 9:38
I don't think that the intellectual idea of predestination is meaningful when the concept of family is not clear. When you fail you can tell yourself that the failure was predestined.

 

However, there is an experience of stability that is connected with the predestination. A couple, after years of marriage can feel that their family was predestined. Does this feeling helps in overcoming crisis situations.

 

Also in events (like baptism) is an opportunity to talk with the generations – parents, grandparents where the family. The birth of a child causes a major change in family life, and this has to be dicussed.

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